@PeterJamison 24 дня назад +2
Any topic requests for future 'Shop Talk' episodes? Feel free to drop them below ⬇
@MiloWalp23 дня назад +2
I think that your videos would be better if you added more footage of you riding with voiceover. great video too.
@alexanderwald204623 дня назад +1
Yes! you keep mentioning increased pedaling efficiency with the clipless pedals, can you think of a semi-objective, non-scientific way how to measure this?
for instance measure a climb of at least 800m with both pedals and measure time taken + output watts...@64x8323 дня назад +2
co*ckpit setup and how it effects handling, also one on wheel size differences
@telonics19 дней назад +2
Nice one, Peter! Would love to hear your take on tire choice and pressures for the different terrain you ride (loose trails, dh tracks, bike parks, etc). Looking forward to the next one 🤘
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
@@telonics Thanks, Andy! Tire choice video is coming soon!
@freezer423023 дня назад +19
Another point nobody really talks about is that riding flats aggressively takes more energy than clipless because you have to maintain tension/pressure between your hands and feet to keep your feet planted on the pedals in the gnar and in the air. It ends up being a lot more tiring to ride flats if you're going hard.
Agree about being able to do more with the bike on clipless with the caveat that you're talking about riding at a very high level. Conversely, you see a lot of beginner/intermediate riders on clipless that develop some crap habits and some god awful ugly technique relying on clipless to mask a lack of proper rear wheel lift and bunny hop skills.@zubayrbhyat807721 день назад +3
Agree with this. I'm learning rear wheel / front wheel lift on flats and it's a good thing.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
Great points. Especially the bad habit building... Thanks for watching!
@ianfurqueron585018 дней назад +4
Agree. I am one of very few among my riding friends who swaps between clipless and flat pedals fairly often. I often get asked why I ride clipless and the answer is because it just makes a lot of things easier. That said, I have found my jumping at bike parks with clipless is not great - for some reason I tend to dead-sailor jumps with clipless - so I tend to ride bike parks with flats as it forces me to use better technique. When I was racing DH, it was almost exclusively on clipless.
@zubayrbhyat807718 дней назад
@@ianfurqueron5850 I do the same. Clipless on group rides. Skills development flats.
@moshnroll50524 дня назад +31
Flats for life.
@MarioXcore123 дня назад +3
Yes
@AbrahamBarberi22 дня назад +3
I used to say the same thing. I now ride clips for most of my riding.
@PunchingCacti22 дня назад +4
People who like spinning around and stuff like flats
People who like going really fast like clipless@harimathur219121 день назад +1
I used to think the same as you, now im back to flats@@AbrahamBarberi
@flow2tech18 дней назад +1
@@harimathur2191I then thought the same as u and now I'm back to clips...
@teamdoa23 дня назад +11
It is so much easier to pedal over rough terrain with clip pedals and not get your feet blown off. That is the best thing about them for me over flats.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
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@astronomenov997 дней назад
Agree. I have been using SPDs ever since the DX pedals came out waaay back. I had an argument with my SO every time we came to a slightly uphill technical section. I stayed clipped in and was able to use 'pedalling in circles' in a low gear to get through it ok. I always heard the 'click, click' behind me as she unclipped in case she needed to put a foot down or fell over. Thing is, she always unclipped and always had to stop and put a foot down or just abandon the section entirely and walk. I kept saying: "if you stayed clipped in, you'd be able to easily pedal through". But...
@teamdoa7 дней назад
@@astronomenov99 Yeah, that is one of the "pros" of using flat pedals, knowing you can put a foot down easier, which can translate into more confidence in some situations. Clips need that commitment to get the best out of them.
@astronomenov997 дней назад
@@teamdoa This is copied from my post on Cademedia video: For people that don't get on with SPDs. I did a LOT of analysis as I had friends who just couldn't get on with them. This is what I found: When someone gets into trouble when clipped in, their first instinct is to try and pull up vertically with the foot that is uppermost in the pedal stroke. As this foot is already high, they can't generate the forces to overcome the spring tension (it takes a LOT of force to exit vertically from an SPD without twisting!) and so down they go, usually on the side opposite this upper foot. (If they are right footed, the right foot is usually uppermost and they fall on their left). The quickest way to exit an SPD is press DOWN with the ball of the foot slightly and flick the heel out and this should be done first with the foot that is at the bottom of the pedal stroke (so you then put that foot down on the ground). But this is not a natural thing and has to be taught so it becomes second nature. It's important to get the hang of press down and heel flick early as after a couple of falls, the newbie is very nervous and this then becomes a mental block.
@GustavoCebo23 дня назад +8
I've been using clipless pedals for about 30 years now, so I'm definitely used to them. Recently, I've been hitting the Pump Track, which got me onto flats. While I dig them for pumping and jumping, on the trails, I still prefer clipless. My issue with flats is that every time you lift and set your foot back down, it ends up in a slightly different spot, which is even more of a hassle if you're wearing shoes like mine, the SPZ 2FO, which have a super strong grip.
With clips, your feet are always in exactly the same spot, or maybe with a little rotation at most. The fact that my foot shifts around with flats is just too distracting for me, and it messes with my flow on the trail.@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
Totally agree with you about the foot placement. The predictability of clips is great. Thanks for watching!
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
@@wayne5741 I would defintiely do flats first to work on building proper riding habits! Hope you have fun out on the trails!
@donbarnard8218 дней назад
Sort of a double-edged sword. It's a problem if your feet are always in the exact wrong place. :) Not so much an issue with mtb biking, but the longer repetitive motions of a road ride will reveal fit problems. I use flats on a gravel/road and while I sometimes shift my feet around in a fussy way, I also look down at where my feet end up and see what no clipped in system could accommodate.
@taylormurphy419723 дня назад +1
Love all of your vids dude!! Really helping me out as I get back into the bikesss. You helped me buy a bike that actually fits me, def way smaller than I woulda bought otherwise. Keep it up, your content is gold
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Glad you are finding the content helpful!!
@rogerdoak10095 дней назад +1
Great commentary and points mate. Some of that control piece at the bike park I've not really thought about just assuming I'll ride flats only there and clips when out for hours in the woods. Food for thought, thanks man.
@PeterJamison 5 дней назад
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for taking the time to watch!
@64x8326 дней назад +22
Yo I love your vids but please stop premiering them for like 4 days in advance, just schedule it instead :)
@PeterJamison 26 дней назад
Thanks for your feedback! Out of curiosity, why is that?
@64x8326 дней назад +7
@@PeterJamison Premiered videos almost solely reach your subscribers, which we’d see anyway if you had just posted the video regularly, additionally it’s taking place of an old video of yours that could have been recommended. Maybe I’m being petty but I’d rather be able to watch the video on my feed then and there. Thanks for hearing me out, also keep doing more tech talks 👍
@PeterJamison 26 дней назад +2
thanks for the input! 👍🏼
@BuffiestFluff23 дня назад +4
Hard agree with all the same points!
@chris453623 дня назад +1
Agree
@Jimmy.meyer.7616 дней назад +3
Dude, loved this, some good points covered , I like the down to earth approach of your videos , cheers !
@PeterJamison 15 дней назад
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching!
@callawaycass514821 день назад +20
Given good technique on both types of pedals, there is no efficiency difference when pedaling. There is no gain in potential power when clipped in. I’ve followed countless studies on this over several decades. Most that show an efficiency increase have obvious flaws in the studies. To me, the benefit of clipless in MTB is that it allows you to pedal over terrain where you can’t pedal on flats without getting your foot bucked off. (I’m experienced with both.)
@SoEnduroBro21 день назад +9
Show me a Roadie or XC racer that uses flat pedals because they are just as efficient...
@fsquared6418 дней назад +1
No efficiency increase with clipless?! You may have experience with both but have you ever raced? I’ve never raced DH, but in every Enduro, XC, Gravel, and road race I’ve done all the top guys are clipless without exception.
@donbarnard8218 дней назад
@@SoEnduroBro There's almost no disadvantage to clipless for a road racer (how many care about awkwardly walking their bike around town or into a convenience store etc? hehe). There are advantages to clipless whether they're more efficient or not (e.g sprinting). So while there's the belief we hear constantly about pulling up in the pedal stroke and efficiency, that seems to be a myth and pro cyclists have religiously adhered to many myths in the past.
@SoEnduroBro18 дней назад
Gotcha, yeah there are a lot of different ways to look at it. 🤙🏽
@rohanrsingh18 дней назад +2
@@fsquared64He's 100% correct, there is absolutely no data showing any efficiency increase with clipless.
It's a very easy thing to run experiments on - just put people on bikes or trainers with clipless and platforms. So it's been tested repeatedly for years and years... but there's no statistically measurable efficiency difference.
"Why are all pros using clipless" is an obvious and cliche response to that. But think about it for a sec and there could be a bunch of reasons (weight, comfort, popularity, sponsorships, etc.). It certainly doesn't address the efficiency claim though.
@HD4640918 дней назад +3
The efficiency between flats and clips is about the same except in sprinting situations. Clipless pedals are good for 1 keeping your feet on the pedals for control purposes and 2 for those XC people clipless keeps your feet in a biomechanically optimum position for hours at a time without thinking about it.
@PeterJamison 17 дней назад
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@filipsoltys550423 дня назад +6
love the point you brought up towards the end. people claim riding clipless is bad cause it can teach bad techniques. that's true to some extent, but clipless pedals actually offer more options to the rider, that is their advantage. why wouldn't a rider want more control, more options on how to move the bike?
@PunchingCacti22 дня назад +1
It really depends on what you are doing
Clipless actually totally limit your options if you're doing any slopestyle or trials riding
But for downhill I think they are the obvious choice@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
They definitely provide so much more control 🤘🏼
@WubHDofficial10 дней назад +1
So much energy spent to discuss this matter when GOOD dual pedals exist out there ( xpedo ambix ). Been rocking those quite flawlessly, the only real disadvantage is slightly harder to locate which side you need but you get used to the feel after some rides.
@PeterJamison 10 дней назад
🤙🏼 Glad they are working out for you ✌🏼
@AbrahamBarberi22 дня назад +2
Great video and great riding! I also prefer clips when riding parks with chunky and gnar. I definitely use clips when doing XC. I only use flats when I practice jumps or new tricks.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Appreciate the kind words! Glad you enjoyed the video 👊🏼
@bgeorgeashton24 дня назад +3
I love that you talk about your setup. Knowing some details about a pro's setup with the pro explaining the reasoning behind it is highly valuable to me!
I had no idea you ride clipless for all your trail vids!@PeterJamison 24 дня назад
Glad you are enjoying the content! Thanks for taking the time to watch, I really appreciate it!
@hardmtnbiker18 дней назад +1
Great topic. I started with clipless pedals and pretty much stayed with them. One of the main reasons is I just feel like I’m more connected and with my stiff shoes it’s obvious more efficient for long distance rides when my legs get whipped out. Ratcheting on techie climbing sections are probably helped by being clipped in but I can see the need/want for flats in case you have to bail.
@PeterJamison 17 дней назад +1
Glad you are having a good experience clipped in 🤘🏼
@lafargaa23 дня назад +2
I ride a hardtail, so when I'm going hard downhill on my rocky and dry local trails, the clipless system gets me "attached" to the bike with all the bumps and vibration. I also tried flats, but I just felt too slow in the flats and going uphill, this is my insight coming from a gravel/roadie previous riding. As you said, starting with flats is better as you build up confidence.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Glad you are having good luck with the clipless system ✌
@Coolcmsc3 дня назад
I’ve said this in a reply here too (sorry). It’s important to be able to ride both. The DH racers at UCI nearly all clipless on race day, but most of those ride flats in training (which we don’t see…). Why? Well, flats maintain skills and no point in breaking an ankle before race day; unlike race day when clipless gains a second which justifies the small risk.
@lostman6524 дня назад +2
this is awesome peter. i tried clip-in (note i like new term for “clipless”) pedals recently and failed. i had a few high side falls and shattered my confidence. i feel like i should give it another try… maybe on easier stuff till i get comfortable…
@PeterJamison 24 дня назад +1
Trying on easier terrain to build confidence is key 💯 Thanks for watching!
@dgochez23 дня назад +1
We all fell when we started, it takes a while for your brain to adjust to having to twist to disengage. Two things that help is to loosen them a bit so they are easier to remove, and do a few minutes of practice like this: Start moving, stop, unclip, start moving again, stop unclip, reapeat a few times to get muscle memory in. Once you get used to them it's like a super power, bunny hops are dead simple.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
@@dgochez Loosening the clips to start is a great piece of advice!
@RufusRosso23 дня назад +1
Peter I love your videos. I really enjoy watching you ride. I live in western Colorado and ride similar desert terrain as south Utah. I would like to know what tiers do you run and why?
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Thanks for the kind words! Really appreciate it. For tires, I run the Maxxis DHR II in the rear and Aseegai in the front 🤘🏼
@amir_mtb23 дня назад +3
Thanks! Great POV. I've been riding for about ~14 years learned flats and stayed on flat pedals, ride everything from sweeping XC to double-black DH. Recently I got into road and gravel riding (as well as still MTB) which forced me to learned clipless - not without a fall or two on the sidewalk. Now I feel confident clipped in on road rides but still can't bring myself to try clipless for enduro or freeride, even though they also involve a lot of pedaling.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
Clipless for MTB is definitely intimidating at first! Perhaps in the future you can try it out after some more time on the gravel bike👍🏼Thanks for watching!
@rodjets820818 дней назад +1
SPD's for me! Not for efficiency, but because it locates my feet in the correct position on the pedal every time, without having to be concious of it. Unclipping in tight situations or coming to a stop is automatic, after 30yrs of doing it. Used PD-M520's on road and MTBs and now eMTBs. Very reliable pedals.
@PeterJamison 17 дней назад
SPD's work great for sure! Glad they have been reliable for you.
@BodieMoto22 дня назад +1
were you an instructor at highland bike park 2 seasons ago? I am pretty sure you were my introduction to the sport if thats the case, it was pouring rain and I went OTB on the first run lmao but I loved it
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
I was not an instructor... But glad you had a good experience there! Highland is awesome 🤙🏼
@jojotherider197724 дня назад +2
My biggest gripe between flats and clipless is the support. With a flat pedal, it feels like the pedal is supporting a lot more of your foot. On a clipless pedal, I've always felt like I'm standing on a point. I feel like the Mallet DH pedals come close, but the pedal body is still fairly narrow and doesn't go across my whole foot.
That said, I want to give clipless a better shot. I rode a lot of bike park last year and found myself losing my pedals every now and then when riding through some rooty sections at speed. It probably happens only once each time I went up, but that has the potential to end my day or worse, my season.@ChampionGaming23 дня назад +1
thats my problem with them too, I just wish we had a bigger platform to brace against on them
@phonebem22 дня назад +1
That's kind of my problem too. I rode clipless for over 20 years (good flats and flat compatible MTB shoes weren't really a thing in the 90's) and decided to try flats a couple years ago when I damaged a clipless pedal and needed new shoes anyway. The biggest thing I noticed was how much more supported I felt on flats than with clipless. I (ironically) felt more connected to the bike and able to really lean on the pedals to get the bike to dig harder into corners with flats.
About the only real downside I've noticed is techy climbs. There's really no replacing how much easier it is to get through a super techy uphill with clipless (I know it's possible with flats, just haven't broken some old habits yet).@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
I would really recommend testing out the saint pedals! They give a great platform feel in my opinion.
@philipvaren305023 дня назад +36
Let's all just ban the use of the term clipless. "Clipless" left this world a very long time ago. Clips or clips-in. Done.
@kentclarstroem21 день назад +6
Actually the opposite is true. Clips are dated and only used by hipsters. Every one rides clipless. They were named this because they replaced the clips.
@philipvaren305021 день назад +3
@@kentclarstroem Yeah I meant the origin of the term clipless - coming from the doing away of toe clip/straps. Nobody in the MTB world uses those anymore so we can revert to using the term clip-in.
@kentclarstroem20 дней назад +2
@@philipvaren3050 True and we can also stop saying "car" and just go back to"horse". I mean since nobody takes a horse shopping anymore we can stop saying car and go back to calling the vehicle we take to the shops horse. Clipless pedals are clipless pedals. Clips are clips.
@philipvaren305020 дней назад +2
@@kentclarstroem Haha ok dude. whatever you say.
@Paularite20 дней назад +6
@@kentclarstroem I don't want to be the um actually guy but actually car used to refer to the passenger carts pulled by horses, and with the apparition of engines we started calling those new vehicles "motorcars" or even "horseless carriage". Then everyone stopped using horses, so we just called them "cars". Not sure if we should keep calling cars "horseless carriage"
@alexramirez11811 дней назад +1
I ride clipless
Crankbrothers DH Mallet
Crankbrothers Mallet Boa shoes. Perfect and stable@PeterJamison 10 дней назад +1
Glad you have found a setup that works well for you ✌🏼
@Tibiscuit_OW224 дня назад +2
Hey! I feel like clipping pedals are way more risky: if you end up lose controle during a jump, you might not be able to unclip the pedals during the jump, and then fall forward isn't it?
I tested riding with flat and clipping, I highly prefer clipping for controle and climb efficiency but now that I'm more riding in bikepark, I'm just too scared to ride with clip pedal again.
What's your opinions?@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +2
I have found that with every big crash I have had clipped in, I have unclipped just fine and it hasn't had an impact on the fall. That said, that is a valid concern!
@Tibiscuit_OW218 дней назад
@@PeterJamison Hey thanks for your answer.
I've also noticed that on few crashes, but I don't get how we can unclipped during the jump.
With no clip it's kinda straight forward, you just jump and throw the bike from from you
@motocraneguy1723 дня назад +1
Do you find much difference between the Saints and XTR’s? And how much float do you like? Thanks!
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
Definitely a difference in the float between the two pedals! I do not like much float, and on the saints I run the tension between zero and three turns. On the contrary, with the XTR I run the tension about three clicks from max. Hope this helps!
@whitest_kyle4 дня назад +1
Opinions on the Fox Union flats with the Race Face Atlas vs Five Tens? I'm trying to find grippy flat shoes with BOAs and Fox just released the Union BOA flat
@PeterJamison 3 дня назад
Really happy with the Union flats, and the Atlas pedal has very aggressive pins that offer a lot of grip - good combo. That said, maybe most impressive thing is that I have been running the same Atlas pedals for 18 months with no issues, those pedals are durable🤘🏼
@seanfromthemid15 дней назад +1
Definitely thought this was going to be about how it's actually plenty easy to dab when you're clipless, and how undabbing/clipping back in mid-rock-garden is the unreliable part. I'll take getting my feet very briefly and inconsequentially blasted off the pedals ten times over a single instance of having to finish out the section one-footed. My second bet was that it would be about how even with a lot of float clipless locks your knee into a small range of positions, which can be poison on the really long 60mi+ enduro rides. 🤷♂️
@PeterJamison 15 дней назад
Clipping back in can definitely be tough!
@nohemoglibin867720 дней назад +2
clipless make my knees hurt. no matter where I adjust my cleats. I'm relatively old for the record. I don't have that problem (yet) on flats.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
Sorry to hear that!
@r2895923 дня назад +1
In what position do you run your cleats when riding your trail bike?
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
I run my clips all the way back and toward the inside of the shoe 👍🏼
@worldstallestmidget19 дней назад +1
You list me at the efficiency take! Everyone one says that! There’s videos of flat vs clipless pedals and there’s barely if any difference in them! Especially with today’s tall pins and sticky sole compound on shoes you can be efficient with them both! It all comes down to technique
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Definitely agree that technique plays a huge role.
@quinncolby13 дней назад +1
I ride both. I do like to dab a foot riding technical stuff. Shimano’s are adjustable and way better for beginners.
@PeterJamison 12 дней назад
Agreed, Shimano's are great for people just starting out with clips ✌🏼
@rubbermoetroken23 дня назад +1
Great vid however/style however some pro's of flatpedals are also overlooked and not mentioned in your vid.
One footers no footers, cancans, crankspins etc and literally the freedom of moving your feet around while on/off your pedals. Flats ushes for clean jumps too, boost your inherent need for clean bunnyhops etc. Taking into account that one/no footers are utterly cool, the advantages of allowing such moves on flatpedals outweigh the pro's of clips massively. We see this with our youngsters here at home who are fully into the tricks on high speed 4m high tables, making them much better bikers than they could have ever been using clips (which a lot of their fellow aged bikefriends started using "for efficiency")@PeterJamison 18 дней назад +1
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@krisqz23 дня назад +1
My biggest fear with clipless is obviously falling without clipping out. Saw some nasty clipless crashes where flat pedals would clearly allow to minimize the fall damage. You can see people trying to disengage in the air before going head first into the dirt, but to no avail.
@dgochez23 дня назад +2
Not having your feet secured can also lead to you loosing the pedals in the rough stuff and causing a crash. I am more scared of that so I feel safer with them on.
@krisqz23 дня назад +1
@@dgochez I'm not scared of that at all tbh. It happened to me few times, but without any major incident so far.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад +1
I have found that in each major crash I have had clipped, I have been able to unclip without any issue. That said, crashing with them can be intimidating.
@donbarnard8218 дней назад
@@dgochez I always felt like if your lost balance is throwing you off the bike anyway, the difference is getting your foot out to save yourself or taking your attached bike down with you, rather than the bike keeping you safe because you're attached to it. On the other hand, getting your feet knocked off flat pedals by a bump does happen.
@staticfitment948924 дня назад +2
I tried crank brother mallet e at my trail and 1 week later i went back to flats lol. Fell way too much that i gave up and my local trail are narrow, tight and rooty that you need so much skills to ride clipless
@garrett380223 дня назад +1
i literally did the same, with the exact pedals hahah. Good to know i am not the only one
@staticfitment948922 дня назад +1
@@garrett3802 My friends told me to but shimano spd as its the easiest to clip out but i still went for CB lol. Maybe one day i will try again but might stick to flats again lol
@rubenvor24 дня назад +1
When I moved from flats to clipless, my first thought was "this is cheating". For me the biggest con of clipless is to clip back in, still I'd choose clipless over flats every day.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад +1
Clipping back in can definitely be a challend at times!
@sponger51618 дней назад +1
Idk, I mean flats and clipless are just two different riding styles. I routinely swap between the two, its two different experiences and they are both fun. I'll probably always raced clipped in but since I learned to ride mtn bikes clipped for years before trying flats I have to ride a lot more deliberately and cleanly on flats. But, both pedals are equally cool, just different.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
Totally agree ✌🏼
@grantschoen172619 дней назад +1
Having ridden flats since day 1, I 100% experienced more creativity when trying out clipless last year. I felt like I was cheating on some features lol. I can totally see how if someone starts out & only rides clipless, they would develop really bad habits in regards to fundamentals. I ultimately went back to flats for the most part, as I felt myself less confident riding into things blind as I had no dab bail-out option. I also felt like my feet were "floating" at times, although that might be due to the fact that I was on XC clipless pedals with no support. Might have to give it a go again this season!
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад +1
I would really recommend testing out a pedal like the shimano saint to get more of a platform feel... should help get rid of the 'float' feel your experiencing. Hope this helps!
@grantschoen172618 дней назад +1
@@PeterJamison I definitely will! Just got back from a clipped in ride, and man it is so fun! 🤘🏼
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад +1
🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@bowlofcereal619322 дня назад +1
i just bought my first pair of clipless, and the only thing ive been worried about is, bailing. is one able to bail using clipless?
@daveharris3919 дней назад
Yes, after the learning curve.
I can dab, no problem, with my spd's.@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Bailing with clipless is scary at first, but you will gain confidence with time ✌🏼
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_13 дней назад +1
I have a pair of hustle labs mag pedals I want to try on my DH bike this season. I have clipless and flats but these have been sitting in my garage for a year and I'm really curious how they perform. Might be a cool video just for content.. A good middle ground between the two.
@PeterJamison 12 дней назад
Rad, hope you enjoy them!
@_Jake.From.Statefarm_12 дней назад +1
@@PeterJamison I'll likely end up with flats or clips but it will be a nice middle ground if they do feel pretty good. They are heavy but for the DH bike it's no biggie really.
@robocalifornia21 день назад
Raced road for 20 years before moving to Reno/Tahoe. Started mountain biking and naturally felt comfortable with clips and rode those for a year before trying flats. I tried clips again after a year on flats and hated them, despite being several seconds faster down the DH tracks, never having my feet blown off, and being able to pull up harder for jumps. There’s plenty of arguments for both. You’ll never see Rampage won on clips, and I can’t remember the last time a World Cup DH was won on flats. Not everyone cares about being the fastest or most creative and realistically 99.9% of us will never max out our talents on either style of pedal. The stuff homeboy here is riding is so gnarly that you should take note that he rides flats. But then there are guys like Metallier and Lewis Buchanan who can ride clips on similar lines with absurd amounts of exposure. I LOVE World Cup DH racing and personally am way better at going fast than I am at going big or being stylish. That said, my favorite riders are the freeriders. The dirt jump guys. All the coolest edits and the sh*t that excites me and that makes me want to ride are from the guys (and girls!) who ride flat pedals. That’s how I want to ride. It’s just a whole different vibe on flats, and that’s why I ride them. Flats for life.
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
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@sethgale545823 дня назад +1
Hey Peter! Sick vid! but random question, if I happened to come out to Virgin this year, could you take me on a lap or two down Kong🦍??
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
Hey Seth! I tend to stay away from guiding due to liability concerns, sorry! Either way you should definitely check out Virgin ✌🏼
@sethgale545818 дней назад
@@PeterJamison do you know of anyone that could?? cause no way in heck am I sending that by myself without anyone that actually has done it
@OwenL202020 дней назад +1
I use flip flop pedals and switch between both all the time.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
Never seen those before!
@OwenL202018 дней назад +1
@@PeterJamison they’re great. Pegs on both sides, but flat on side and clips on the other.
@soundbites115219 дней назад +2
I'm just gonna say this: There are no peer-reviewed studies that prove that clipless is better. In fact, most head-to-head tests I've seen prove that Flat pedals are more efficient and that you use more muscle groups in your legs to spread the workload. Multiple world champions ride flats. The SHOES make a difference for sure. More so than the pedals. But, being attached to your bike is stupid, IMHO.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад +1
The shoes are a major contributing factor no doubt.
@T-ReV716 дней назад
Name some pro riders that use flats. My understanding is that it’s very few riders.
@KeithKates-nm5yr19 дней назад +1
I thought the “thing” was going to be how much worse the outcome of a minor wreck is on clip-less pedals
@PeterJamison 19 дней назад
I find crashing with clips to have the same outcome as flats... and I tend to crash pretty often 😂
@PunchingCacti18 дней назад +1
Jibbing and spinning = Flats
Sending and Bending = Clipless@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
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@krishnaveganathar19 дней назад +1
Clips are high risk, high reward…. I guess, but I think the danger is not worth it.
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
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@mikecoglione130818 дней назад +2
For MTB flat pedals forever. Have done very long rides on flats it is more tiring I got clipless on road bike and one of my gravel rigs but the safety on trails for flats is irreplaceable. I don't care how efficient you get with bailing out of clipless those OMG moments can be instantly resolved with flat pedals by simply putting your feet down. No matter how much I practice on the road bike (and I use SPD's there for faster unclipping) the safety of not being clipped in cannot be overstated.
If I am smashing rocks I am not on the bike, I walk. No need to take those risks. While SPD's are more durable hiking your bike isn't great for the cleats. The pedals while designed more for mud and whatnot still get dirty quick.
Different pedals for different bikes but if you're not absolutely romping it and putting down enormous wattage clipless only introduce more complexity and trouble, study after study shows there is no advantage unless you're a very advanced, strong rider putting out a lot of watts. And even if you are with regards to trails nothing beats the safety of flats. I'd rather go slow and not get hurt.@PeterJamison 17 дней назад
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@LuciferAlmighty16 дней назад +1
I have a spd one side flat on the other.
@PeterJamison 15 дней назад
never seen that before!
@dtoliosДень назад
I think I like flats just for bailing/dubbing, otherwise SPD/CBs all the way. And I am nowhere close to an advanced rider like Peter or others mentioned.
The difference is even greater on a Hardtail or a rigid MTB/gravel bike. Waaay more confident with cleats.
"Efficiency" is not something I notice TBH...same segment times more or less with or w/o going uphill. But the lack of minor scratches from the stupid pins for the silliest of rub-on instances is more than noticeable.
And to keep the "purists" happy, I would call them cleat-pedals and be done with it.
I totally remember toe-clips and I can see the marketing appeal of the clip-less / toe-clip-less campaign, but from an engineering standpoint, the "cleat" pedals are the only ones you actually clip in, while with the toe-clips/straps/cages you were ... strapping in or something...definitely not "clipping" in.@marcbeecroft391623 дня назад +3
Pedalling efficiency? How much we talking? Can you even quantify it?
@andyeunson27023 дня назад
I think riding relatively shallow trails just grinding an uphill there isn’t much difference. But getting up a short steep pitch or a technical up and over, being clipped in is easier. I go back and forth. When I first put the flats back on, I will often lift my foot off the pedal. But I soon adapt. The different technique needed for flats is less efficient. But you develop better skills using flats that are transferable to being clipped in. I’ve used toe clips and straps and clipless for over 40 seasons off road. I can get out of clips fast. Faster than flats because I’m used to rotating the foot which you can’t do on flats. That said, it’s a different skill that gets developed over time.
@slugrider23 дня назад +4
there is some research around this and clipless pedals claim to increase efficiency by pulling along with pushing motion in your pedal stroke. however in most studies the efficiency gains are minimal/no existent and could be attributed to stiffer soled shoes etc
@marcbeecroft391623 дня назад +1
@@andyeunson270 I come from a trials background so moving my foot around on the pedal just seems natural.
Sprinting up a short climb, more on my toes.
Slogging up a mile fireroad, centre of the foot.
I totally get the efficiency thing for road cycling where every watt matters but for enduro style riding flsts just seem to mske sense.@andyeunson27023 дня назад
@@marcbeecroft3916 You trials guys are an amazing breed. It’s the sprinting or sprint like bursts where being clipped in is an advantage. And the pedals are often smaller and less likely to hit something. I like both styles and go back and forth.
@theymademepickaname124823 дня назад
I ride basic trails in the midwest, so no long downhill or anything extreme, but there are some rooty climbs that I get hung up on with flats but can power through pretty easily when clipped in .
@BrianKlausen16 дней назад +1
Clipless user here - so not hating on flats by any means.
But you keep saying "pedalling efficiency" - a term I find being thrown around a lot. Usually with zero real explanation of what that means, or what I find is exaggerated claims to what the gains are. So: what exactly do you mean with efficiency?@PeterJamison 15 дней назад
To me it comes down to perfect feet position for pedaling in all situations and the stiffness from the shoes delivers better power 👍🏼
@bikesense38676 дней назад
What no one really talks about: flat pedals provide a better platform to push against and provide more lateral stability, flat pedals are more precise (e.g. when placing your rear wheel) because they have no float, clipless pedals are NOT more efficient, they just allow you to pedal through spots where it’s hard to pedal with flats
@InfiniteVibration4 дня назад
dagga flat pedals go crazy
@LaurentiusTriarius22 дня назад +1
I wish I had transformers pedals, would be a greater invention than the dropper, a click of a button and you're clipped ...
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
Maybe in the future 🤨😂
@krisdoke13 дней назад +1
I don't like the clips. Over 20 years of riding. Never liked them. Toe clips. Are a better option.
@PeterJamison 12 дней назад
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@schenker199328 дней назад +5
Just put the video ouuuuuuuut. This upcoming stuff is so annoying
@PeterJamison 26 дней назад +1
Out of curiosity, why do you find the upcoming videos annoying?
@schenker199326 дней назад +3
@@PeterJamison i think its the swing from feeling, oh sweet a new video from someone I enjoy watching, to nvm you cant see it for almost a week.
Im subscribed for a reason and thats to watch your videos. Im going to watch them with or without the upcoming video posts.@PeterJamison 26 дней назад +1
@@schenker1993 Thanks for your input and thanks for watching the videos!
@D91Mart26 дней назад +2
Totally agree its an unnecessary roller coaster of emotion from yah to awe.
@PeterJamison 24 дня назад +2
@@D91Mart 🤙
@skiahh16 дней назад
It's pretty well debunked that clips give you lots more power. In flat out time trial kind of sprints, sure. But for normal riding, the difference is negligible and has been shown many, many times here on youtube and in at least one scientific published paper.
@PeterJamison 15 дней назад
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@Kay0Bot21 день назад
"Clips vs flats"
No one has any clue what old clips looks like so stop calling them clipless@mudia8020 дней назад
Eee.. magped?
@roddas2623 дня назад +7
Clips are for roadies 😂
@PeterJamison 18 дней назад
Guess my roads are pretty rough...
@jeffrogers21809 дней назад
Clips are for anyone who has the courage to learn how to use them. I've been clipless for over 20 years, I can't imagine going back to my feet flopping around on rough trails.
@roddas268 дней назад
@@jeffrogers2180 learn to ride properly.
@jeffrogers21808 дней назад
@@roddas26 😂 I do. I understand that you're afraid of being clipped in, so was my ex girlfriend.
@roddas268 дней назад
@@jeffrogers2180 foot out flat out. You do you buddy. And you do understand my 1st comment was in jest right? Maybe you don't 😁
